Improving the deadlift

[BigPete]

I think Koklyaev technique is possibly a reflection of his origins in Olympic lifting.

Strongly agree.

[G..]

I think Koklyaev technique is possibly a reflection of his origins in Olympic lifting.

That's spot on. But my theory is that there is potentially a performance benefit out of it. Lots of lifters do something similar - Koklyaev is just an extreme example.

If you look closely you can see that his hip position is about average height {fairly high in relation to his initial start}just before the bar begins to move. Therefore what you do before hand is irrelavant as long as your back and hip position is in textbook form when the bar begins to move.

[Simon]

I find I need to start low to keep my back concave, although the initial point from when the bar actually moves off the ground is higher. If I start high from the position where the bar actually moves I find I have less power. It is a little bit like fast bowling in cricket - you actually bowl or release the ball from the crease but without the run up you will not bowl as quick.

Perhaps also the lower starting position creates some tension in the glutes and hamstrings contributing to a slight stretch-shortern cycle, effectively giving you some rebound off the ground. It's similar to how you see some lifters bounce off their hammies immediately before starting a pull - Koklyaev comes to mind...

The stretch reflex gained, if any, is probably wasted. It's like trying to move a car by taking a 20m run-up and smashing into it, you gotta be bearing the load when you begin to generate force.

[G..]

I find I need to start low to keep my back concave, although the initial point from when the bar actually moves off the ground is higher. If I start high from the position where the bar actually moves I find I have less power. It is a little bit like fast bowling in cricket - you actually bowl or release the ball from the crease but without the run up you will not bowl as quick.

Perhaps also the lower starting position creates some tension in the glutes and hamstrings contributing to a slight stretch-shortern cycle, effectively giving you some rebound off the ground. It's similar to how you see some lifters bounce off their hammies immediately before starting a pull - Koklyaev comes to mind...

The stretch reflex gained, if any, is probably wasted. It's like trying to move a car by taking a 20m run-up and smashing into it, you gotta be bearing the load when you begin to generate force.

True, but a stretch reflex does not always have to be from a lower position, it can be from the top such as shown by this lifter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q0u25R0 ... re=related

[Simon]

Hrmmm, you may be onto something there G!

[Jumanji]

Nothing like winning a discussion against Simon by doing it with his own lifting videos. ha ha. He did steal that little stretch reflex trick off me though.

[Simon]

Nothing like winning a discussion against Simon by doing it with his own lifting videos. ha ha. He did steal that little stretch reflex trick off me though.

Shutup Tim, nobody won a discussion against me here.

[G..]

Nothing like winning a discussion against Simon by doing it with his own lifting videos. ha ha. He did steal that little stretch reflex trick off me though.

Shutup Tim, nobody won a discussion against me here.

Tim has one of the best deadlifts in the country - form and weight lifted, learning from those who are well accomplished is wise